{"id":35286,"date":"2023-01-19T12:09:23","date_gmt":"2023-01-19T10:09:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/?p=35286"},"modified":"2023-01-19T12:09:23","modified_gmt":"2023-01-19T10:09:23","slug":"an-interview-with-frans-veerman-from-the-world-watch-research-team-slegs-in-engels","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/afr\/an-interview-with-frans-veerman-from-the-world-watch-research-team-slegs-in-engels\/","title":{"rendered":"An interview with Frans Veerman from the World Watch Research team (slegs in engels)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In commemoration of the 30th annual release of the World Watch List, we interviewed Frans, the director of World Watch Research, to tell us more about the list, the past 30 years since it was first released and how it has helped our work as a ministry. This is what he had to say&#8230;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_35245\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-35245\" style=\"width: 218px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-35245\" src=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-200x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"218\" height=\"327\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-683x1024.jpg 683w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-768x1152.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-1365x2048.jpg 1365w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-600x900.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/CN_Representative-image-of-Rebecca-looking-at-plants-3-2022_0004140-scaled.jpg 1707w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 218px) 100vw, 218px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-35245\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Representative image.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>Why was the World Watch List created in the first place?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe World Watch List was created in 1993 for strategic planning purposes. After the fall of the Iron Curtain, in November 1989, resources were freed up to expand the work into other countries where Christians were persecuted.<\/p>\n<p>Open Doors leadership appointed someone 1) to do research into Open Door\u2019s involvement in countries where they were already active to see whether they should step up their activities; 2) to do research to see if Open Doors was missing countries, where persecution was high, and where they had no involvement yet. The researcher who was appointed developed a simple questionnaire to assess persecution levels in the world, leading to the production of the first World Watch List in January 1993.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What difference has the World Watch List made?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe outcomes since that first World Watch List 30 years ago have been a crucial factor in changing the work of Open Doors for and with persecuted Christians in Communist countries, and later Islamic countries. It has made a difference in how we support persecuted Christians in any country in the world where needed, regardless of the source of persecution.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What did it reveal about the persecution that we didn\u2019t already know?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Apart from persecution in communist and Islamic countries, the World Watch List revealed persecution of Christians in dominant Buddhist and Hindu countries, like Bhutan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, India and Nepal.<\/li>\n<li>Persecution can be driven by a great variety of groups: state actors and non-state actors; non-state actors can differ from one\u2019s own (extended) family to highly organised violent religious or ideological groups.<\/li>\n<li>Persecution can affect Christians in different ways in their different spheres of life (private, family, community, national).<\/li>\n<li>Persecution can affect different categories of Christian communities in different ways (historical, converts, non-traditional).<\/li>\n<li>Persecution is not only violent; or: is often not violent. It can be very subtle, and work through all sorts of pressure in the daily life of Christians.<\/li>\n<li>Often more than one source of persecution is active in a country; different sources overlap or reinforce each other.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Which countries have scored highest across the decades? Why?<\/strong><br \/>\nOver the last 3 decades, three countries have appeared the most often in the top ten, North Korea, Somalia and Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>The reason is that these are countries where ideology or religion sees Christianity as a competitor, or even a threat to its existence. Be it that it is a Communist\/personality cult-driven country like North Korea or countries where political Islam claims full authority over the territory.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What has the World Watch List shown us about changes in persecution?<\/strong><br \/>\nGenerally speaking, the World Watch List has shown us that religious persecution can flow from many sources. We distinguish 9 different religious or ideological sources of persecution. Each source of persecution has its own characteristics.<\/p>\n<p>Well-known examples are Communist and post-communist oppression, Islamic oppression and Religious nationalism.<\/p>\n<p>How much they lead to persecution of Christians in their countries does not only depend on their specific characteristics but also their evolution. Their evolution can be slow or quick, it can be halfway or fully accomplished. It can decrease and increase again.<\/p>\n<p>What is the \u201cevolution of persecution\u201d? Persecution normally starts with a small, radical societal group representing a specific religion or ideology spreading their ideas at the expense of others. This can be by violent and non-violent means. Often a social or political vacuum presents an excellent breeding ground for such ideas and actions. To make a long story short: In the end, the radical societal group has accomplished the buy-in of society and the State into their agenda, and all together pressurise dissidents to the point of nearly suffocating them. Culture as a whole is then taken over by the agenda of this radical societal group and their worldview becomes a main cultural source.<\/p>\n<p>To mention a few concrete points:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>China was bad, became better but now returns to very serious persecution again.<\/li>\n<li>Persecution in India has increased over the last decade.<\/li>\n<li>The Islamist Movement has gradually been expanding itself in Sub-Saharan Africa through violence by an astounding variety of terrorist groups, and through non-violent means.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>What story does it tell us about the past 30 years?<\/strong><br \/>\nOver the last 30 years, the World Watch List has shown us that persecution is growing. We can see this by the number of countries that score at least a minimum threshold value for persecution, according to our methodology.<br \/>\nPersecution has also intensified. The average score for the Top 50 countries for the first WWL 1993 and the most recent WWL 2022, has increased by more than 25%.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What are we measuring now that we didn\u2019t before and why?<\/strong><br \/>\nWe are still measuring the same things we did at the inception of the WWL but have increasingly fine-tuned the tool with which we measure, improved the data we get, and amplified the use of the data. As for the tool, we have professionalised the WWL methodology by adding 4 variable answer elements to the questions in the questionnaire, and by ordering the questions according to different spheres of life.<br \/>\nAs for the data, we developed criteria for the input of Open Doors Field operations and their in-country networks, and the input of experts external to Open Doors. More than 4000 different people are involved in the production of the World Watch List, in different degrees of intensity.<br \/>\nAs for the use of the data, apart from producing the annual list, with Full Country Dossiers for all countries with High, Very High or Extreme persecution, we now also produce Specific Religious Persecution (SRP) reports: Gender-SRP, Children\/Youth-SRP, IDPs\/Refugees-SRP.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_35257\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-35257\" style=\"width: 359px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-35257\" src=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"359\" height=\"239\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/SD_Portrait-of-young-boy-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 359px) 100vw, 359px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-35257\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>\u00a9: UNSPLASH<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>What does the World Watch List reveal about the direction persecution is heading in the future?<\/strong><br \/>\nFurther \u201cglobalisation\u201d of Islamic oppression: That means, the Islamist Movement knows no boundaries. Be it by direct or indirect connections of many smaller terrorist groups with the big ones like al-Qaida and Islamic State. Be it by financing an abundance of Mosques and Islamic NGOs in the framework of radical Islamic teaching. Be it by Islamic businesses that directly or indirectly coerce their employees into such a radical Islamic context.<\/p>\n<p>Organised corruption and crime: Another global source of persecution, directly by violence, and by putting high pressure on the Church in their areas of operation. Indirectly by co-optation of the State, and by co-optation of the political system. Societal disruption, even by destructive laws, serves their purposes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cDigital persecution\u201d:<\/strong> Information Technology (IT) will increasingly be used to control and put pressure on Christians and their church communities. China is the Big Brother here, but authoritarian regimes will increasingly follow them.<\/p>\n<p>Revival of indigenous traditional religious systems: This will not only entice Christians into their ranks but may also coerce (or force) them into it, making it increasingly difficult to convert from such traditional religions to Christianity. A very clear example is what is happening in West Africa, with Benin as the centre (they are building a \u201cVoodoo University\u201d in Porto-Novo, the capital of Benin).<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cAggressive secularism\u201d:<\/strong> The Church will be pushed more and more to keep its beliefs behind its front doors. Freedom of Religion will be restricted to Freedom of Worship. No place for Christian teachings in the public domain.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cCultural Marxism\u201d:<\/strong> Cultural Marxism builds on aggressive secularism. It requires complete acceptance of secular ideology. This is about the deconstruction of Christian values in society. There will be less and less space for Christians to biblically resist this deconstruction process, and doing so is often perceived as religion being used to discriminate against others. Expression of non-conforming religious beliefs will be limited even if those religious expressions should be protected rights under Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Religion or Belief.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Why can I trust the World Watch List?<\/strong><br \/>\nYou can trust the World Watch List because the WWL methodology shows how seriously and deeply research is carried out. The methodology is open for academic inspection and all scoring is audited via the highly respected expertise of the International Institute of Religious Freedom. The institute was founded in 2007 with the mission to promote religious freedom for all faiths from an academic perspective.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How has the World Watch List impacted the experience of persecuted Christians?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe World Watch List contributes to Open Doors\u2019 mission of ensuring that no one suffers persecution alone, by standing with them and being the voice of the voiceless, in many places, and on many platforms. In a special way, we trust that our work encourages persecuted Christians when they learn that their plight does not go unnoticed by many around the world.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_35259\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-35259\" style=\"width: 335px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-35259\" src=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/XS_Photo-of-Shafika-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"335\" height=\"223\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/XS_Photo-of-Shafika-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/XS_Photo-of-Shafika-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/XS_Photo-of-Shafika-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/XS_Photo-of-Shafika-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/XS_Photo-of-Shafika-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 335px) 100vw, 335px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-35259\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Shafika* A refugee from Afghanistan, living in Central Asia.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>What has been the biggest threat to Christianity in the countries on the World Watch List?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe biggest threat to Christianity on the World Watch List is that persecution brings isolation, and when it keeps going on incessantly it may cause loss of hope. This applies to violence; violence can lead to heavy personal trauma and the loss of everything one needs to survive. It also applies to continuous pressure such as bullying in schools and loss of employment; this can also be traumatic, and lead to serious economic decline.<\/p>\n<p>Having said that, remarkably many respondents to our questionnaires keep on saying that the biggest threat does not come from the outside but from within the church: \u201cWill the next generation be prepared for the kind of persecution we are witnessing?\u201d \u201cAre they strong in their faith and in knowing Christ and the Gospel?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This shows that the level of resilience of the Church is as defining for the future of the Church in a country as is the level of persecution.<br \/>\nSo the biggest threat to the Church in countries with persecution is a decrease in resilience caused by incessant persecution and the feeling of being forsaken by the rest of the Body of Christ.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What lessons have we learnt from the persecuted Church over 30 years?<\/strong><br \/>\nWe have learnt several lessons from the persecuted church over the last 30 years:<\/p>\n<p>The truth of 1 Corinthians 12:26: \u201cIf one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honoured, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>To stand strong in persecution, it is important to be anchored in the Word of God and prayer.<br \/>\nBe courageous. It is especially the church that is active in spreading the Gospel that suffers from persecution, but also seems to be the one which is vital and growing against the odds.<\/p>\n<p><em>Join us as we stand in the gap for countries on the World Watch List. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.opendoors.org.za\/world-watch-list-2023-map-sm\/\">Click here<\/a> to download your map and join us in prayer.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In commemoration of the 30th annual release of the World Watch List, we interviewed Frans, the director of World Watch Research, to tell us more about the list, the past 30 years since it was first released and how it has helped our work as a ministry. 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